No, YOU tighten YOUR belt, the state

As it starts to become clear what we’re looking at in terms of the government paying for all this shit from our pockets, there has to be some acknowledgement that a lot of the things the government used to pay for were luxuries and gifts that we can no longer afford.

  • Foreign aid
  • Welfare and healthcare for anyone who isn’t a British national or current tax payer
  • Admission of illegal immigrants, refugees etc
  • IVF treatment, cosmetic surgery
  • Gender fuckery
  • HS2
  • Public sector bloat and pensions
  • Diversity & affirmative action
  • The United Nations, WHO, UNICEF
  • The Royal Family/Civil List
  • Expenses for MPs & Lords
  • A million QUANGOs
  • The BBC
  • Unrecovered student loans
  • Funding of ‘charities’ and lobbying organisations

Of course if furlough payments had been done as loans…

Honestly, the first time Boris or one of his monkeys starts crapping on about fairness, I’m going to blow a fucking gasket.

My MP is going to get really sick of me in the coming months.



9 thoughts on “No, YOU tighten YOUR belt, the state

  1. The biggie is the insanely bloated public sector pension.
    1st step, all public sector pensions nust be valued at what they would cost privately if you asked L&G what a pension of x would cost, just like Defined Contribution Schemes. We’re all in together so there should be no objection to a level playing field, everybody under the same.terms and conditions.
    Next as we’re all in it together, all public sector types working from home to have a retrospective pay cut of 20%, just so they know they are being treated the same as the private sector ( followed by a furlough pay of £90 a week so they can prepare for life on the dole.
    Also as we’re all in it together, all furloughed, laid off, working from home etc, get a free TV license for the year and any paid in advance get rrefunded.
    See if that changes the BBC attitude to lockdown sharpish?
    Then as we’re going to be skint, BBC is subscription only from budget 2021, that’s another £150 in every familys pocket.

  2. What about a proper review of how much taxpayers money is given to so called “charities” and a review of their top salaries?

  3. “Of course if furlough payments had been done as loans…”
    Which would be grossly unfair, since the authorities stopped me from going to work. They wanted that, I had no other choice. I’m aware of the crowd that like the idea of being paid for doing nothing, but speaking for myself, I want to return to work, not because I like what I do but because I want some normality and routine back in my life, and work is a big part of that. The lockdown is as bad as being in solitary confinement. And whether the furlough was done as a loan or not, I will still have to foot the bill one way or another at the end of it, that’s if I have a job to return to – I’ve heard the lockdown described as “the waiting room for redundancy”.

    • I’m not sure why you think it’d be fairer if people who didn’t get a hand-out were made to pay a chunk of it back.

      Last year I had to have major surgery for which I was only ever going to get 24hrs notice. During the 6 month wait I couldn’t take on much new work because I would have had to drop it without notice, which isn’t a good look for a freelancer, and afterwards I simply had no income for 6 months while I recovered. I never got a penny of help from the state and I simply had to eat my savings.

      Hows about you chip in some of the money I burned through? No? Well…

  4. “I’m not sure why you think it’d be fairer if people who didn’t get a hand-out were made to pay a chunk of it back. ”
    I don’t think that’s fairer, the only point I was making concerned furloughed people. Of course I thought it unfair not to have any fallback for those not furloughed, such as self employed, who eventually got some relief but not that much. My entire point was, okay government – you don’t want me to go to work, then compensate me while I have no income. Yes, I know all of us will be paying this back, but if the government wanted us all to stay away from work then no one should be left out. Those who didn’t stop working, IMO should get some kind of tax relief so they don’t pay a chunk back. That’s fair, but I’m not a financial type of person so don’t know how that could be done, if at all. Concerning furlough payments being loans, when the shit hits the fan and taxes go up etc, then we’d all be paying back twice – the loan plus higher taxes.

    Plus, I hear that our government, along with others is suing the CCP for compensation. Don’t know how true that is, but good luck with it.

    In your case, this was as you say last year, so that would be a different matter anyway, concerning sick pay. Being an employee I get sick pay, but I don’t know what arrangements are in place for self employed or freelancers like yourself.

    • Fair play, sir.

      Your point is inarguable in the sense that the government forced you – and millions of others – out of your job and so they should be bound to compensate you for that. And yet… millions have gone uncompensated but will have to pay, and millions more are now in a position where they don’t want to return to the office/shop/building site because they are terrified or – more likely – they quite like being paid 80% to stay at home with their kids and a fridge-pack of Stella.

      The government has been utterly reckless, and I get that, in a sense the costs of that have to be socialised, but we have to think about incentives. Only if people are told that they personally will have to repay their furlough money will they be properly motivated to get off the sofa and get back to work.

      Perhaps a middle ground – perhaps the first month or so, when it was all-out then fine, socialise the costs, but now we’re in a position where most business can and should be open and working again, but they’re struggling to get their employees out of the house and back into the office. I’ll use teachers as an example, but there are plenty of others. Once you’re digging your heels in against going back to work, we’re at the point where the onus can no longer be fairly placed on society to pick up the tab.

      As a freelancer, the arrangements in place are whatever you do yourself – i.e. income protection insurance. As ever though, these are riddled with caveats and clauses that enable the insurer to side-step their responsibilities and, as such, most of them are worthless in a great number of circumstances.

      This is the pisser about recent rule changes around IR35 & tax for the self-employed… we have to pay all the taxes and carry all the obligations that permanent staff get, without any of the benefits such as leave entitlements, employment protection, sick pay (beyond SSP). It’s all about making like harder for the self-starters and making it far more appealing to supplicate yourself to a corporate overlord.

      I don’t feel particularly ‘woe is me’ about the financial hit I took last year, mind… I feel very lucky that I was able to put away the sort of money that would see me through a bad spell like that.

  5. I have no understanding of the tax system at all. All I know is that I go to work and every month the tax man takes a chunk of my pay. As far as sick pay is concerned I think I’m in much the same boat as yourself, if I’m sick I get statutory sick pay, and a top up to 80% of basic pay, which I think is some kind of company insurance scheme that I automatically pay into. The top up lasts for up to 6 months. I was off sick for a week in December, and didn’t know how to go about it because the last time I was off sick before that was mid 2007, and didn’t know what rules had changed. Although I had a doctor’s note I was still dragged up in front of HR and interrogated.

    In answer to your earlier question asking if I was willing to stump up for your losses due to your surgery, the answer would be yes. Because I believe that is what the tax system is for. Its fair, in my opinion, to help cover someone’s back who is suffering hardship, after all there always comes a day when I need my back to be covered. But the hangers on, furloughed people who think its a free holiday and job dodgers are a different matter.

    • Yeah, I think we’re reaching the point of violent agreement.

      If only there was hope of a properly fair and equitable social insurance scheme being run by our parasitic, incompetent, self-serving public sector, or at least of them forcing commercial insurers to write policies in a way that provided an equitable safety net that didn’t have man-sized holes all over the damn thing.

      Some hope :-/

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